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. >>> the nra is saying schools should decide for themselves how to protect their children. here's what nra president david keen told carol costello yesterday. >> when wayne la pierre spoke about a week ago, he suggested that what has to happen and what should happen in every school district administrators, teachers, parents, should sit down and ask what is needed to protect the children in that school. some of them will want police officers there. others will want private security guards. there may be some places where they want volunteers to do it. we're willing to work with everybody on those questions. >> it's a much softer stance than just one week ago. here's what the nra's executive vp said back then. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> at the time, wayne lapierre said armed officers were the only way to prevent another massacre like the one that happened in newtown. >>> president obama summoning congressional leaders to the white house, 3:00 this aft
. >>> the nra is saying schools should decide for themselves how to protect their children. here's what nra president david keen told carol costello yesterday. >> when wayne la pierre spoke about a week ago, he suggested that what has to happen and what should happen in every school district administrators, teachers, parents, should sit down and ask what is needed to protect the children in that school. some of them will want police officers there. others will want private...
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he said this about the nra's proposal. let's watch. >> public wants guns out of the schools not in schools and they're not asking for a security official or someone else. i don't think the nra is listening. i don't think that they understand. most americans would protect the second amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not he have human being should own a gun. not every gun should be available at any time anywhere for anyone. >> i mentioned this before on the air because it meant a lot to me bobby kennedy was killed and it hit a lot of us in our hearts and i wrote a congressman. but it seems mayor nutter and gene what happens is everybody gets reactive. we all react, and then notice how wayne lapierre who is a brilliant professional. he waits a couple weeks. a couple weeks in now he will be the only one doing this full time. >> people who are interested in saying gun control laws have got to keep up the pressure, have got to keep up the focus and not do what you just said, not conform to this general pattern of
he said this about the nra's proposal. let's watch. >> public wants guns out of the schools not in schools and they're not asking for a security official or someone else. i don't think the nra is listening. i don't think that they understand. most americans would protect the second amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not he have human being should own a gun. not every gun should be available at any time anywhere for anyone. >> i mentioned this before on the air because...
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nra is -- >> greg: no, no. they are talking about the officers which is why the crime dropped in new york city schools they have a school safety program with police officers there. >> greg: i'm not sure that it follows the same program or pattern as new york. >> bob: not like new york. you come back to chicago but these are gang-drug related wars in chicago. >> kimberly: so is it okay? he is not doing a good job. >> bob: it's the drug wars. >> eric: so are you saying don't arm them? telling us how great it is in new york. >> bob: i agree with andrea. the local should make a decision. if they think there is a rough school. >> eric: it should be done at local level but we don't need rahm emanuel saying it shouldn't happen or david gregory giving lapierre a hard time when his kids go to school with 11 armed guards. and the people we pet up yesterday with those who own handguns? do you know you have ten times more likely chance of being, of violent crime happening to you in new york city where there is no concealed
nra is -- >> greg: no, no. they are talking about the officers which is why the crime dropped in new york city schools they have a school safety program with police officers there. >> greg: i'm not sure that it follows the same program or pattern as new york. >> bob: not like new york. you come back to chicago but these are gang-drug related wars in chicago. >> kimberly: so is it okay? he is not doing a good job. >> bob: it's the drug wars. >> eric: so are...
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guns can't possibly be part of the problem according to the nra. >> the nra, so dedicated to protect the second amendment, willing to sell out the first and many other constitutional amendments we hold deer. >> you talk about this rare, you have newtown across the country when you look at the collective desk. the point where you talk about whether it's arming teachers or gun control or mental illness, you are trying to confront as many pieces of the puz elt as possible. no one solution. one-dimensional conversation only about guns that is a ridiculous conversation it has to be a much broader, but you can't have some barriers to try and prevent some things from happening. >> you hear the cultural divide in the last statement. >> you asked about firefighters. >> they should be armed. and i think roland is right. a multidimensional problem. in 1994 when we passed the assault weapons ban, part of a comprehensive crimes bill. ultimately you have to attack a problem like this from all sides. very difficult when you have a fundamental cultural divide and a big chunk of the country says the
guns can't possibly be part of the problem according to the nra. >> the nra, so dedicated to protect the second amendment, willing to sell out the first and many other constitutional amendments we hold deer. >> you talk about this rare, you have newtown across the country when you look at the collective desk. the point where you talk about whether it's arming teachers or gun control or mental illness, you are trying to confront as many pieces of the puz elt as possible. no one...
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when the nra is throwing around all sorts of fake notions that are in the fake dialogue. no one is saying that you can stop everyone of these things. how hard do you you want to make it? the risk of the gun in the home is greater than the benefit. as the owner of the gun in connecticut found out when his son got his hands on it. and the denaccidents happen in homes with guns. how hard is that to find out. >> go figure. the other issue today is that looking around the web, it is actually easier to go online and purchase a 100 round clip high capacity magazine than it is to renew my driver's license in florida. if you transfer $10,000 of your money, it triggers your bank that goes to the federal government. but you can go online and with free holiday shipping purchase a high capacity magazine. even the law enforcement in the communities have no way of know ing a large number of weapons, perhaps a bullet proof vest. that might send off a few alarms. making it harder to sexercise te right to vote. we should think that people are more responsible owning a gun than casting a ba
when the nra is throwing around all sorts of fake notions that are in the fake dialogue. no one is saying that you can stop everyone of these things. how hard do you you want to make it? the risk of the gun in the home is greater than the benefit. as the owner of the gun in connecticut found out when his son got his hands on it. and the denaccidents happen in homes with guns. how hard is that to find out. >> go figure. the other issue today is that looking around the web, it is actually...
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and that's what i think -- that was the moral question to the nra. is this just the cost of doing business to you? are you willing to accept that we live in this kind of society where these kinds of horrific tragedies happen? and i think the whole nation stopped and waited to hear the response. and i think the answer is very disappointing because we can do better than this. you know, there are many countries. 23 of the richest industrial countries on earth except for us have 1/20 of our death rate from guns. this can be done. it's not that it can't be done. we can ban assault weapons, as senator feinstein is proposing, including the re weapon that was used in sandy hook, legally bought by the perpetrator's mother. that could have been banned. the large magazine rounds where you can fire off multiple rounds, that should have been done. background checks, 40% of guns are bought by people who don't have to go -- that's on the secondary market, they can avoid a background check. this is not necessary. we can do something like this. >> eloquently stated.
and that's what i think -- that was the moral question to the nra. is this just the cost of doing business to you? are you willing to accept that we live in this kind of society where these kinds of horrific tragedies happen? and i think the whole nation stopped and waited to hear the response. and i think the answer is very disappointing because we can do better than this. you know, there are many countries. 23 of the richest industrial countries on earth except for us have 1/20 of our death...
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. >> wayne lapierre from the nra says the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun. how is the response from the phoenix area community? do they accept this? they like my posse. i've been doing it 20 years. they love the posse at the malls. as i said, we finished another program, there's no serious crime. so why not utilize volunteers that only operate under the elected sheriff. i swear them in and they're law enforcement. ex cops, you maim it. 3,000, by the way i'm going to recruit more to help fight this problem that we have in the schools. >> sheriff joe, i have a couple of seconds. how many schools do you have in the phoenix area? >> well, there's about 2,000 in the state. but there's about in the in my main jurisdiction to i'm going to concentrate on those 50 schools. >> i have to leave it there. thank you for joining us. i want to point out to the viewers, john boehner is leaving the -- he just left the white house and it looks like the meeting has come to an end. it's been -- there he is getting in the car right there with an aide, closing the door. tha
. >> wayne lapierre from the nra says the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun. how is the response from the phoenix area community? do they accept this? they like my posse. i've been doing it 20 years. they love the posse at the malls. as i said, we finished another program, there's no serious crime. so why not utilize volunteers that only operate under the elected sheriff. i swear them in and they're law enforcement. ex cops, you maim it. 3,000, by the way...
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. >> we need a rationale gun policy and need to get it out of the hands of the nra boys. >> reporter: in district heights, maryland today, about two dozen men, women, and children gathered outside of the gun shop they say helps contribute to the gun violence in communities. >> my nephew who lived in richmond, virginia, was killed five years ago so, yeah, i know. >> the purpose will come. make no mistake about, that the protests will come. >> reporter: they say guns send too many young people to their their graves and prison. >> we must not rely on physical violence to resolve our human problems. >> reporter: the owner of realco gun said he doesn't give interviews, never has and never will. >> reporter: back here, there is still a long line to get into the gun show and the nra is offering a deal, join up and get one for free. >> and thank you. >>> the victims of a deadly accident in springfield were on the way to a funeral. it happened last night at the mixing bowl where 95 meets the beltway in springfield. police say an 87-year-old pennsylvania man was behind the wheel of a pickup tru
. >> we need a rationale gun policy and need to get it out of the hands of the nra boys. >> reporter: in district heights, maryland today, about two dozen men, women, and children gathered outside of the gun shop they say helps contribute to the gun violence in communities. >> my nephew who lived in richmond, virginia, was killed five years ago so, yeah, i know. >> the purpose will come. make no mistake about, that the protests will come. >> reporter: they say guns...
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and 54% of americans have a favorable opinion of the nra. >> juliet: these are three separate polls. it's not one poll. so we're grabbing from different polls. >> eric: and again, by the way, those little dots on the map indicated only hand gun permits. not concealed carry permits and you don't -- there is no requirement for a permit to own a shotgun. so some of the other people who aren't red dotted feel like they're becoming targets saying, hey, if i don't have a red dot on my address, a predator or criminal may come to my house instead of one that has a red dot. remember, criminals, all you people, they still might have a shotgun. and that can make you as dead as hand guns. >> juliet: when you try to get that information from the freedom of information act, it doesn't tell you the specific type of weaponry that they have there. >> eric: or when the last time they had the gun in the house. it could be from a 1965 permit. >> juliet: that's true. >> kelly: the debate continues throughout the country. meantime, president obama's epa chief resigned and her reason? it may be just a cove
and 54% of americans have a favorable opinion of the nra. >> juliet: these are three separate polls. it's not one poll. so we're grabbing from different polls. >> eric: and again, by the way, those little dots on the map indicated only hand gun permits. not concealed carry permits and you don't -- there is no requirement for a permit to own a shotgun. so some of the other people who aren't red dotted feel like they're becoming targets saying, hey, if i don't have a red dot on my...
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you might have seen them at the big nra press conference, the people interrupting with the big signs. they weren't allowed to stand here by the expo center. this line was snaking is around, and this parking lot absolutely packed with gun enthusiasts and people that support gun rights, but they kept those protesters all the way down this way. it's hard to even show you. we can't even pan that far away. they kept them down by the entrance, and that led to a lot of different matches, but i'll tell you, people were driving past, throwing out couple of comments, then they kept on driving. this is, again, the first day of this gun expo. it is going to be open today until about 8:00 p.m. as you can see, pretty busy here. live in chantilly, debra alfarone, 9news. >> heated indeed. thank you debra. >>> faith-based demonstrators staged another rally at a gun dealership in district heights, maryland. members of a group representing 25 churches say they're devastated by the deadly school shooting. they offered prayers for victims and called for closing of the gun store which they say has spread s
you might have seen them at the big nra press conference, the people interrupting with the big signs. they weren't allowed to stand here by the expo center. this line was snaking is around, and this parking lot absolutely packed with gun enthusiasts and people that support gun rights, but they kept those protesters all the way down this way. it's hard to even show you. we can't even pan that far away. they kept them down by the entrance, and that led to a lot of different matches, but i'll tell...
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the new york times on august 7th, 2012 and you will find a smug liberal op-ed writer who trashes the nra and gun owners for warning about what exactly this kind of confiscation scheme that andrew cuomo is spelling out. and you are absolutely right to point out and pair this flotation of this proposal a long with what is coming down the pike on capitol hill. it's not just about confiscation, it's not just about a registration scheme that would demonize and criminal lies behavior of law a i had booing gun owners but it's about the mandatory sale or buy back program that both feinstein and cuomo have been pushing for for a long time. and remember that the reintroduction of the assault weapons ban, quote, unquote, is something that dianne feinstein had in the works in the immediate aftermath of the election even before the newtown massacre occurred. >> you know something, michelle, what really strikes me is it's very interesting, we broke, and rightly so, our presidentings, our politicians, hollywood stars, they all have armed guards protecting them. we protect our money with armed guards. b
the new york times on august 7th, 2012 and you will find a smug liberal op-ed writer who trashes the nra and gun owners for warning about what exactly this kind of confiscation scheme that andrew cuomo is spelling out. and you are absolutely right to point out and pair this flotation of this proposal a long with what is coming down the pike on capitol hill. it's not just about confiscation, it's not just about a registration scheme that would demonize and criminal lies behavior of law a i had...
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of course, the nra always stands in the way of any new or reviewed restrictions, but, of course, we all know that. and we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "hardball." president obama has a critical period of time at the start of his second term when he can set the course for the next four years. presidents traditionally have less than two years to make a mark in their second terms before their power starts to fade, and president obama is still facing a republican house that acts as though this election of last november never happened. how will he strategize for maximum leverage on the following issues, guns, our relationship with iran. joining me is david winston and blake zeff. thank you for joining us. let's talk about the thing we just talked about during the cluster here. guns. can the president -- will he put himself behind something on limiting the size of these magazines, getting them down to say five or so bullets, willing to go after what feinstein is pushing, dianne feinstein, something on assault weapons. is there something he can go for and win because it seems to me lo
of course, the nra always stands in the way of any new or reviewed restrictions, but, of course, we all know that. and we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "hardball." president obama has a critical period of time at the start of his second term when he can set the course for the next four years. presidents traditionally have less than two years to make a mark in their second terms before their power starts to fade, and president obama is still facing a republican house...
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sheriffs are now backing the proposal, including sheriff paul babu of arizona, who's written, "the nra is correct. we need a cop in every school. we have a people problem, not a gun problem." sheriff paul babeu is "outfront" tonight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, john. >> sheriff, i understand the attractiveness of this proposal, an armed guard, a school member training with a weapon. but let's look at the facts, going back to columbine and virginia tech, columbine, they had two armed guards on the campus at the time, virginia tech had 34 armed guards. yet 13 killed in columbine, 32 at virginia tech. so the evidence, sheriff, suggests that armed guards on campus do not stop school massacres. >> well, you see a school that i grew up in, there was just one building. and some of these campuses or college campuses, as you point out, there could be eight, there could be 20-some odd buildings. and to my point, training and arming designated school administrators or designated teachers, not everyone, some school districts may not want to do this, but for those who do, law enforcemen
sheriffs are now backing the proposal, including sheriff paul babu of arizona, who's written, "the nra is correct. we need a cop in every school. we have a people problem, not a gun problem." sheriff paul babeu is "outfront" tonight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, john. >> sheriff, i understand the attractiveness of this proposal, an armed guard, a school member training with a weapon. but let's look at the facts, going back to columbine and virginia...
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it was conducted last week after the nra proposed putting an armed guard in every school. it was conducted among more than 1,000 adults with a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. >>> administrators and school staff members in utah are learning how to handle guns. a firearm instructor organized an event to provide teachers with concealed weapons. it's one of a number of states that allow them to take them on school campuses. >> i think it's important to have protection because if you don't have it we're sitting ducks. >> gun rights advocates estimate about 240 teachers in utah are licensed to carry concealed weapons. it's not known how many do so at school. >> this weekend thousands of people from across the country are headed to webster new york for services honoring two firefighters killed on duty. they were gunned down trying to put out a fire on christmas eve. the gunman torched his home and opened fire and later committed suicide. the two firefighters will be buried sunday and monday. those from around the u.s. are there for the funerals and thanks to
it was conducted last week after the nra proposed putting an armed guard in every school. it was conducted among more than 1,000 adults with a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. >>> administrators and school staff members in utah are learning how to handle guns. a firearm instructor organized an event to provide teachers with concealed weapons. it's one of a number of states that allow them to take them on school campuses. >> i think it's important to have...